Ann Coulter + Media = Post Tramatic Torture, Part Duex
Eric Simonson (creator of Hegemonic Discourse & Global Meme Dominance blog) commented on my Ann Coulter + Media = Post Traumatic Terror and a decent conversation ensued through email. I thought I would post the conversation as both of us made our points, agreed on some, disagreed on others, and still managed to respect each other’s opinion.
It began with following comment from Eric:
I’m didn’t see what was so offensive about her comments. No more so than anything Michael Moore says anyway.
To which I replied:
There were two things that I found repulsive:
1.) That widows are enjoying their husband’s deaths. I agree that this was an attack on the nation. These widows paid the ultimate price on a personal level. They speak for all of us that were fortunate enough not to pay that price.
2.) That these women should not use their personal viewpoints in a political arena or for personal fame or wealth. So I guess you have to be Ann Coulter to do that. The one woman that has used 9/11 and her personal gold mine for all three fronts.
BTW - I never said I was a fan of Michael Moore.
Where are you from Eric?
Eric responded with:
Coulter’s comments may be crass, but I don’t think they are any more offensive or hateful than the comments of the Jersey Girls themselves. I detail some of this in this post:
http://www.hegemonic.org/pundit/index.php?id=2159
The Jersey Girls have basically accused Bush of killing their husbands. Isn’t this more offensive than what Coulter has said?
“They speak for all of us that were fortunate enough not to pay that price. That these women should not use their personal viewpoints in a political arena or for personal fame or wealth. So I guess you have to be Ann Coulter to do that. The one woman that has used 9/11 and her personal goldmine for all three fronts.”
I disagree. They have every right to express their personal viewpoints.
However they should not be afforded special status as victims out of all proportion to reality. What about the relatives of the other 2,900 or so family members?
I replied:
I’m not sure if saying their husbands were murdered during President watch is the same as saying the President murdered their husbands. I do understand what you are saying about Luftwaffe’s nightly terror bombings did not invoke public wrath against Churchill. Churchill, however, did not repeatedly use those attacks to pursue or force his own military or political agenda on the citizens nor did he and his cronies make a fortune off of it.
We may never know for a fact if our government was aware or involved in these attacks. I can say that with the technology available today, that was not available for Churchill, there is no conceivable way that no one (at some level) knew about this before it happened. The actions of the president and the money his cronies have made as a direct result of 9/11 definitely support the idea that someone knew.
I don’t think these four widows should have more political sway than any other citizen. Then again, most citizens don’t even vote let alone question what is happening around them. That makes these widows exceptional even if I do not agree with everything they say or do. They have a personal stake in the outcome of everything related to 9/11. They were there, they suffered personal losses and now they want answers. And they can’t ask the dead pilots what happened nor are they going to just sit around and accept the media’s perverted version of truthiness.
Now I agree these widows may have said some things that might be considered offensive, but hateful would be if they accused the president of not just watching but also enjoying the 3000 “murders.”
Thanks for responding, feel free to comment on any of my blogs…
To which Eric replied with:
I think you anticipated my next post… Or maybe it was the other way around.
http://www.hegemonic.org/pundit/index.php?id=2160
Sorry, I’m not baiting you. I really should get my comment system working though. I found your blog through technorati and thought I’d comment. I’m adding you to my blogroll and I’ll try to check in every now and then.
Good luck. Be careful, blogging can be extremely addictive.
I finished the conversation with:
I could not have said it better. Nice blog!
Technorati tags: Ann Coulter, September 11, Congolese, conservative, extremist, torture, Media, WTC, NYC, Michael Moore, Winston Churchill, Luftwaffe
4 comments June 15th, 2006
